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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 08-21-13 12:09 PM EDT (US)         
Gooooooooood evening good evening good evening good evening good evening good evening and welcome, to The British Politics Thread!



This is where we shall discuss British politics and related matters - which is here defined as everything from The Falklands Problem, through rival claims to the Throne of the United Kingdom and commonwealth realms, to cream tea of a Thursday afternoon. I fancied it was about time we had one of these, just so as to avoid using the Party thread for everything; and this topic comes up quite regularly there *cough* every other post by me or Scruff *cough*.

Please sit down, have some tea, and do tell us whatever it may be that is on your mind - there's a good chap!

• EDORIX •
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Pitt
Commodore
posted 08-31-13 05:39 PM EDT (US)     26 / 57       
Not all the rebels are Islamists.

"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty, hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to talk French." - P.G. Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-01-13 01:03 PM EDT (US)     27 / 57       
I think further debate in that area would be better suited to the current Syria thread.
It's not possible to have a proper free trade agreement with the UK, because of its membership of the EU [...]
Bearing this in mind... what about this proposed free trade zone including the EU and the USA? Where would that leave Australia... not to mention Canada - should or would they get in on it too?

And if so, where is this going? Are we looking at having all the highly-developed European-populated countries in one massive economic bloc, all to try and compete with the economic and demographic giants in China and India?

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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-06-13 05:13 AM EDT (US)     28 / 57       
More Snowden/Guardian tales of dodgy top secret government intelligence: link

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EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 09-06-13 07:23 AM EDT (US)     29 / 57       
Bloody hell.

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 09-06-13 09:42 AM EDT (US)     30 / 57       
Oh My Gosh!
Intelligence agencies try to work out how to read secret messages?!

If using brute force ('super computers') to break keys is a realistic issue then presumably the wide use of bot-nets by criminals gives the prospect that keys have been broken more widely.

I did like the way that the encrypted files that got detained at the airport were opened - because there was a list of passwords on a bit of paper in the same bag (in a spy film those would have been the self-destruct codes...)
Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-08-13 05:30 AM EDT (US)     31 / 57       


Makes my upper lip wobble

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Ischenous
Mariner
posted 09-08-13 06:11 AM EDT (US)     32 / 57       
I think the best bit about it are the arguements on the original video, with people saying Britain invented God, elephants and apparently slavery and then there is all the WW2 arguements of who saved who and stuff.

Calling all new people. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION before asking a question. Thank you.
Alert the APOCOLYPSE is coming!!!!!!!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM(Itcame)
"TWH Guild Award (Best Duo/Trio) -Ischenous/IJ"- Tryhard. Why he chose that nomination, I don't know...
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-08-13 07:45 AM EDT (US)     33 / 57       
It was a "good" speech, in terms of delivery, especially (with all due respect) by the PM's standards... right up until One Direction. An ill-advised attempt at Boris-style urbanity...

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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-22-13 05:54 AM EDT (US)     34 / 57       
*NEWSFLASH* - The Fortnight in Review


Good evening ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to a one-off program about the last two weeks because we must never let a thread lie dead. No my precious.

It has been a relatively quiet couple of weeks in the news headlines of the Green and Pleasant Land, the main media hype being either of matters in foreign lands or other such nonsense. The main stories in Britain have been politics:

Next year's referendum on independence in Scotland comes on apace and the debate continues... although there seem to be few new arguments. link Meanwhile in Westminster, Labour have been saying socialist things, the Conservatives have been saying liberal things, and UKIP has had to sack their chief whip for loud-mouthed misogyny. The Conservatives have also finally bowed to demand and released their figures for party membership, which were higher than many hoped or feared at 134,000 - but onl7 70% of Labour's figure, and barely more than half the number who voted in the Conservative leadership election in 2005. One notable event has been the Liberal Democrat Party Conference, where Nick Clegg proves once again that he is by far the best speaker out of the main party figureheads - but still cannot into proportional representation. link

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in to this special airing on British politics and I leave you with this:



Good night!

• EDORIX •
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[This message has been edited by Lord Eddie (edited 09-22-2013 @ 05:57 AM).]

Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-22-13 06:54 AM EDT (US)     35 / 57       
Ed was on Andrew Marr this morning offering free money and bennies if he wins the next election. Where will he get the money for this?

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-22-13 06:58 AM EDT (US)     36 / 57       
1. Tax the wealth-generators
2. Get more votes
3. Businesses go elsewhere
4. Tax revenues fall
5. ...?
6. Profit

Mitigate the impact by financing the remainder with sovereign debt? Brilliant.

• EDORIX •
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[This message has been edited by Lord Edxie (edited 09-22-2013 @ 07:02 AM).]

Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-22-13 07:56 AM EDT (US)     37 / 57       
1. Unemployment

2. Encourage unskilled workers to come to the UK

3. More unemployment

4. Bennie spending increases

5. Spending more on welfare

6. ????

7. Profit.


But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-23-13 02:00 PM EDT (US)     38 / 57       
In other news: Britain discusses invading Somalia in response to terrorist attacks on Nairobi. link (I may or may not be developing a tabloid streak here.)

• EDORIX •
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[This message has been edited by Lord Eddie (edited 09-30-2013 @ 08:33 AM).]

Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-23-13 02:02 PM EDT (US)     39 / 57       
I think we should damn well go in and smack some heads together. It used to be our clay, after all

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-23-13 02:05 PM EDT (US)     40 / 57       
Remind everyone what happens to the enemies of those who dwell under the Pax Britannica.

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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 09-30-13 08:38 AM EDT (US)     41 / 57       
According to the Guardian:
The justice secretary, Chris Grayling, is to confirm that the Conservatives want to go into the next election committed to repealing the Human Rights Act and replacing it with a British bill of rights. He is to tell the party conference that the European court of human rights has been a "big international frustration". David Cameron hinted on Sunday that the process could end in Britain withdrawing from the European convention on human rights.
Pros and cons of such a move? I believe the main driving force behind it is allowing the more free rein in deportation (quote from here) - any other possible consequences?

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[This message has been edited by Lord Eddie (edited 09-30-2013 @ 08:39 AM).]

EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 09-30-13 09:49 AM EDT (US)     42 / 57       
I think there's various workers rights, isn't there? I'm not too hot on, well, anything EU, so I don't know. It would mean for a while that we'd not have some kind of Human Rights charter for a while, so wouldn't things dealing with this area be rely only ancient precedent as we don't have some kind of constitution that guarantees all that stuff? While we're not going to have to worry about, say, the Star Chamber coming back (that's covered in the UN Human Rights) and all that jazz, it would eventually mean that we'd have to trust this current crop of politicians who've not worked a day in their entire lives to rewrite a Bill of Human Rights for a whole country...

And frankly, when I think it comes to that, I'd prefer the Germans to do it for us. They're much better at that sort of thing

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You

[This message has been edited by EnemyofJupitor (edited 09-30-2013 @ 09:57 AM).]

Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-30-13 10:20 AM EDT (US)     43 / 57       
Germans in charge of Human Rights?

Speaking of which, Austria just voted for the 'Strong Leader' in their elections. I'm loading my rifle and putting a CD of Churchill's Speeches on.

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 09-30-13 10:22 AM EDT (US)     44 / 57       
Germans in charge of Human Rights?
The same country that didn't throw their working class under the bus when they restructured their economy, yes. They're not Godwin's Law-invoking any more.

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-30-13 02:04 PM EDT (US)     45 / 57       
Germany's got some massive issues as we do. It's not the utopia my old German Master thought it was.

The German decline in coal-mining caused a lot of problems in the Ruhr as it did in Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire or South Wales, let's not pretend it's all BMW and well-paid engineering jobs, because it's not. It's largely built on low-paid migrant workers and those unable to get better jobs with low pay and conditions you don't get in this country when it comes to the service sector.
never worked a day in their lives
Yes, I suppose the unhealthy amounts of work many of them did in law or finance don't really give one an advantage in real life.

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy

[This message has been edited by Earl Scruffles (edited 09-30-2013 @ 02:08 PM).]

SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 09-30-13 02:15 PM EDT (US)     46 / 57       
The same country that didn't throw their working class under the bus
Not meaning to take anything away from the Germans or say that business management (esp. state sponsored/owned business) didn't do a fairly pathetic job - but I doubt the German workforce would have been as bloody-minded in trying to annihilate itself.

Hmm, our products are declining in quality and struggling to compete against foreign versions - let's demand higher wages, shorter working hours and stop having people checking whether we're working, it's demeaning.
Earl Scruffles
Mariner
(id: generalscruff)
posted 09-30-13 03:05 PM EDT (US)     47 / 57       
British industry had been losing it's edge since the 1880s and was on an irreversible decline by the 30s. That's a fact we have to face up to and that nobody was willing to innovate, neither the workers or the employers. One of the major causes of this was the nationalisations of industry after the war which took out the profit incentive and caused stagnation. The Trade Unions wanted full employment (and fairly enough) and rabidly opposed any sort of real modernisation in post-war industry rather than compromise and consensus. We then reached the point in the 70s where a government couldn't govern without the consent of some unions, especially the NUM, who generally failed to appreciate the dire straights their industry was in and was unwilling to give ground or work with the government for a managed decline. It was this attitude which can be understood as a reasonable desire to protect one's livelihood, but one carried to the point of totally ignoring the real world that led to the bitter confrontations of the 80s that could have and should have been avoided. I've grown up with old mines and factories in the landscape, and it's my view that damage could have been avoided by a conciliatory approach adopted by both sides rather than being taken to the extremes of class warfare by both. We could have managed the decline and made it so the new jobs appeared as the old ones went, rather than waiting until the mid 90s for any real increase in work opportunities. I don't subscribe to the bi-partisan view of "**** Thatcher" or "**** the Unions" because both sides were at fault and no one side justifies the other.

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy

[This message has been edited by Earl Scruffles (edited 09-30-2013 @ 03:05 PM).]

Pitt
Commodore
posted 10-06-13 12:15 PM EDT (US)     48 / 57       
Politicians designed the Petition of Right 1628, the Declaration of Right 1688, the Bill of Rights 1689, the various Acts of Succession (which, as well as effectively asserting Parliament's right to choose the monarch, incorporated principles of judicial independence), the Reform Acts, and the Parliament Acts of 1911 and 1949.

They didn't do too badly.

"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty, hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to talk French." - P.G. Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
General Sajaru
Commodore
posted 05-19-14 05:45 PM EDT (US)     49 / 57       
Unarchived for Edorix.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan
"Judge them not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." - Jeff Cooper
"I like my enemies like James Bond likes his martinis- shaken, not stirred."
My first book, The King's Own
EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 05-20-14 06:10 AM EDT (US)     50 / 57       
Hm, are we doing UKIP again? Is that why?

Or is it this?

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
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