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Punic Hebil
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posted 05-17-13 00:12 AM EDT (US)         
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1789: Jax
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Jax
HG Monument
(id: Jax Omen)
posted 03-19-14 12:06 PM EDT (US)     1426 / 2504       
and I ended up trying to learn Python for quite a while before they called Python off and brought C++ back again.
On the plus side, it's never ever ever ever a negative to learn a new language.

house won this
Primo
Mariner
(id: Marcus Orentius)
posted 03-19-14 12:36 PM EDT (US)     1427 / 2504       
Any attempts to avoid war with another nuclear state is not a lack of balls, but a proof of one's sanity. Nuclear armageddon aside, it would be expensive for both sides, in money and lives, and a large chunk of the western populace have little taste for another war right now, hence why attempts to intervene in Syria were thoroughly rebuffed. It would probably also be catastrophic for the poll ratings of all leaders involved, even Putin once the first few thousand bodies come back. Afghanistan was a quagmire, and that was against largely geurilla fighters with little more complicated than AKs and RPG7s. They did have complete brutal determination and knowledge of their territory on their side though. Russia also has that and more modern equipment and better training. It wouldn't be pretty.

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Scenter102
Mariner
posted 03-19-14 06:31 PM EDT (US)     1428 / 2504       
I don't think that it would escalate to nuclear conflict in a war between powers(assuming of course that the government has smarts). No country would benefit from that. Conventional warfare would ensue but nuclear weapons would see limited action.
General Sajaru
Commodore
posted 03-19-14 07:09 PM EDT (US)     1429 / 2504       
Congratulations Hannibal!
What's a longarm?
A rifle or shotgun (and in some case SMGs).

In many ways, a conventional war with Russia would be a lot easier than the wars the U.S. just fought in Afghanistan and Iraq; there'd be a pretty good opportunity to just crush their armored and mechanized power in the field without having to worry about insurgent guerrilla tactics.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan
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"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." - Jeff Cooper
"I like my enemies like James Bond likes his martinis- shaken, not stirred."
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Hannibal the Conqueror
Mariner
(id: HannibalBarcaXXI)
posted 03-20-14 03:32 AM EDT (US)     1430 / 2504       
Thanks GS!

A conventional war between the USA and Russia is more likely than a nuclear war. Although the Cold War is long gone, but M.A.D is still around. It'll always be if there are idiots who're willing to use nukes.


But even a conventional war could be disastrous, and would result in unnecessary loss of life for all sides involved. The Russians would be fighting on their 'home turf', and the Americans would be determined at reversing the course of events. So it's best for everyone, economically, politically and militarily, that a war or a conflict does not ensue.


EDIT: @Jetkill

Science? Well there goes everything I wrote On a more serious note, it really is the same. But I would advise you to be very diligent right from day one. The folks over at the Science stream were decadent with their studies and had a lot of pressure at the end. In Commerce, we have around 10 chapters per subject. But in Science, the number goes up to 15-22 IIRC.

I would have loved to go for Science, since I've always had an aptitude for the subject, but thinking about the financial benefit outweighed the immense joy I would get from studying what I love. (With the exception of Comp. Sc. of course)

@Jax

You're right. Will be learning a bit more of Python soon, and I am planning on learning about 2 or 3 more languages. Would be immensely fun, but would also be very beneficial for my higher studies.

"I long for Darkness."
- Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited.

"We are a species that ravages, plunders, kills, destroys, rapes and enslaves in the name of progress."

[This message has been edited by Hannibal the Conqueror (edited 03-20-2014 @ 03:39 AM).]

General Sajaru
Commodore
posted 03-20-14 06:19 AM EDT (US)     1431 / 2504       
But even a conventional war could be disastrous, and would result in unnecessary loss of life for all sides involved. The Russians would be fighting on their 'home turf', and the Americans would be determined at reversing the course of events. So it's best for everyone, economically, politically and militarily, that a war or a conflict does not ensue.
If the US or NATO were to engage Russia in a conventional war, I don't think they'd sustain many casualties; the First Gulf War pretty much proved that the US has the greatest conventional war-fighting force on the planet, and the past ten years of combat experience has only increased that power. Such an action would certainly change the way the world perceives Russian power and just make the Chinese more worried about their paltry military capabilities (that have been built up as a direct result of the First Gulf War). However, the casualties on both sides would indeed be unnecessary, and I don't think Obama would take such an action.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan
"Judge them not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." - Jeff Cooper
"I like my enemies like James Bond likes his martinis- shaken, not stirred."
My first book, The King's Own
Terikel Grayhair
Imperator
(id: Terikel706)
posted 03-20-14 06:45 AM EDT (US)     1432 / 2504       
The First Gulf War (and the second, for that matter) whad ground forces going in after a long and sustained aerial bombardment campaign that reduced the enemy to deaf haggardly men eating grass. It was only then that the ground forces went in.

True, some units escaped the air campaign, such as the Tekwalana Division that ran into Ghost Troop of the 2nd ACR at 73 Easting and had their asses handed to them, but the US had complete and total aerial superiority at that point and rained down holy hell upon those Republican Guards.

Neither NATO nor the US will have that kind of air supremacy against the Russians. Maybe later if the Russians have no counter to Stealth, but I will remind you of a Russian joke:

Two Russian generals run into each other in Paris while drinking champagne and having French maidens serve them little crackers with caviar. "So, Dmitri, tell me. Who won the air war?"

There is another quote I would like to post, based on a comment a German general had when the technical people told him the new Panther (Pzkw V) could take down a hundred T-34s. "And when they have 200?" Quality is nice, but numbers annihilate. The Russians never threw anything away. There are still T-34's in storage. Pieces of shit compared to what we have today, but when all our tanks have been disabled or destroyed, that T-34 is quite scary to the rifleman carrying his M-16A2.

And that wonderful Princess Bride quote: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Most of Russia lies in Asia.

Any shooting war in or around Ukraine is going to get real bloody and dirty real fast.

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Primo
Mariner
(id: Marcus Orentius)
posted 03-20-14 01:45 PM EDT (US)     1433 / 2504       
I agree, the US does have a vastly superior army on the tech front, but so did Nazi Germany. History has proven that Russia is a tough place to conquer, and they would handle the Siberian Winter far better than we would, even if we did come equipped with wooly mittens.

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Zsmart one
Mariner
posted 03-20-14 04:05 PM EDT (US)     1434 / 2504       
there also would be that transition period for the US to get used to fight in colder climates again. most US troops have active experience in desert and mountain warfare and not colder climate warfare. in fact the US hasn't really been in cold climate conflict since Korea.
Awesome Eagle
Spear of Mars
(id: awesomated88)
posted 03-20-14 04:28 PM EDT (US)     1435 / 2504       
Russia has never been successfully invaded by a foreign power or powers for centuries. The inherent difficulties are obvious to all here.

However, on the topic of Air superiority, although the Russians have somewhat equalish tech in the area wouldnt the large resources of NATO and a few other states combined be a bonus- even if in a battle of air attrition?

If memory serves from reading a page on the Gerogian War of 2008, Georgia had air superiority over the battle zone for a few days before Russia could scramble a response. (could be wrong here). Lets just say that if it ever comes to a winter war against Russia, i think we should all switch sides....

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Pitt
Commodore
posted 03-20-14 08:16 PM EDT (US)     1436 / 2504       
Nobody's going to be invading Russia. The last war wind doing that was, appropriately enough, the Crimean War, which began 160 years ago this month.

Nobody wants a war and even Putin wouldn't invade the rest of the Ukraine if there were western forces there.

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General Sajaru
Commodore
posted 03-20-14 08:20 PM EDT (US)     1437 / 2504       
The Russian Air Force would go down in a matter of days, and only then because they have a lot of planes.
Quality is nice, but numbers annihilate. The Russians never threw anything away. There are still T-34's in storage. Pieces of shit compared to what we have today, but when all our tanks have been disabled or destroyed, that T-34 is quite scary to the rifleman carrying his M-16A2.
As someone who's driven an M1, you should know how hard those things are to destroy; you can't even kill an M1 with another M1, and if every NATO tank can take out 100 Russian tanks, I'm pretty sure I know who's going to run out of tanks first. There are 116 M1s in a US armored division, and they can start killing Russian tanks at a range of several miles. It may take more courage to retreat than to advance in the Soviet military, but there are going to be too many dead Russian tanks to advance past. And something like a T-34 is easy prey for a Bradley.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Most of Russia lies in Asia.
In antiquity, this was very much true, as logistics in Russia when you're using wagons (remember, 50% of Hitler's logistic were still using wagons) is a nightmare. However, the U.S. has just conducted 10 years of war halfway around the world. US logistics are the finest in the world; certainly vastly superior to anything Russia has, even in it's own country.
Nobody wants a war and even Putin wouldn't invade the rest of the Ukraine if there were western forces there.
Which is precisely why the West needs to send some over; otherwise he may well try it.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan
"Judge them not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen." - Jeff Cooper
"I like my enemies like James Bond likes his martinis- shaken, not stirred."
My first book, The King's Own

[This message has been edited by General Sajaru (edited 03-20-2014 @ 08:22 PM).]

Hannibal the Conqueror
Mariner
(id: HannibalBarcaXXI)
posted 03-21-14 05:22 AM EDT (US)     1438 / 2504       
The thing we're all forgetting is that there's not going to be any conflict between NATO and Russia. It's highly unlikely. However, I won't eliminate the possibility of a future conflict, but if Western leaders don't man up to Putin then this might be disastrous for NATO influence in Eastern Europe. Russia's got a lot of puppets in eastern Europe that can facilitate a de facto occupation of their home country under the guise of 'protection' or other such slogans.


What GS said with regards to military modernity is true. However, for the past 30 years NATO and the US have fought wars against inferior and insignificant opponents, like Iraq, Libya, etc. In this case they would be up against the Russians, and despite the lack of technologically advanced equipment, equivalent to that of the US, the Russians have an extensive military infrastructure and plenty of their new equipment has yet to see combat, be it their new air defense systems or their new tanks and other similar equipment. We can't be speculative about these things since we don't know how effective they are or not (I think the T-90 did witness some combat in Chechnya, and excelled in urban combat. However I don't know if the same effectiveness can be maintained on the plains) Besides, they are not comparable to Iraq's military forces which were annihilated by aerial bombing up to the Iraq War, so many tactics which were previously used against weaker opponents would be obsolete here and hence a newer approach would be required.

"I long for Darkness."
- Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited.

"We are a species that ravages, plunders, kills, destroys, rapes and enslaves in the name of progress."
Jetkill Fastmurder
Mariner
(id: Mayank Sharma)
posted 03-21-14 08:39 AM EDT (US)     1439 / 2504       
If such a war would take place, who would be Russia's probable allies or supporters?

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Terikel Grayhair
Imperator
(id: Terikel706)
posted 03-21-14 11:38 AM EDT (US)     1440 / 2504       
China, if for no other reason that to give the US a bloody nose and keep their own Taiwan options open to a similar blatant land-grab.

M1s are hard to kill by tank cannon, true. But we lost a few of them in Iraq. Blow the track off, which is easy to do on any tank, and you transform the tank into a pillbox which can be outmaneuvered and killed.

The second- and third-string Russian forces are awful, yet if their massive first-rate manage to put a serious hurt on our first-team, then the second-and third-stringers would be able to make another huge hurt.

And remember, American forces have to cross the Atlantic and most of Europe. Russian forces have to cross a river. The Russians can make good any losses far faster than the US, which has some pre-positioned equipment but not enough for a full war.

Along those lines, I would remind the crowd that NATO has been disarming for at least twenty five years now. Hell, the Dutch don't even have any armor at all, having sold the last of their tanks off. NATO went Light and Mobile, which is great for wars on terrorists and insurgents. But that M16A2 still does very little against that T-55 that might still be rolling around, and Russia stayed heavy and armored. Big difference. I doubt Uncle Vlad will allow the US and NATO the time and room to gather its forces unopposed like Uncle Saddam and the others so stupidly did.

Russia did very poorly in Afghanistan, just as the US did in Vietnam, for many of the same reasons. When the US got the NVA and VC to grips, they almost always kicked Viet ass. But they lost the war, and lost discipline. Samo Russiya.

A NATO-Russia war will not be pretty, or quick.

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Hannibal the Conqueror
Mariner
(id: HannibalBarcaXXI)
posted 03-21-14 03:42 PM EDT (US)     1441 / 2504       
How Advanced Races of Intelligent Beings Could Live in Black Holes

Theory or not, amazing.

"I long for Darkness."
- Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited.

"We are a species that ravages, plunders, kills, destroys, rapes and enslaves in the name of progress."
Scenter102
Mariner
posted 03-21-14 06:42 PM EDT (US)     1442 / 2504       
wouldn't the US attack Kamachha(I probably brutalized the spelling) therefore opening a two front war with Russia?

IIRC China and Russia have an alliance but I don't have a source.
Zsmart one
Mariner
posted 03-22-14 00:14 AM EDT (US)     1443 / 2504       
My father had the idea that if the US really wanted to get back at Russia they should encourage US companies to flood the European natural gas market with super cheap American natural gas basically destroying one of Russia's key exports.

I think there is very little to attack in east russia for an actual front to really form. Taking it would really only ruin any chance of Russia getting the 7 army bonus from controlling all of europe. The only reason Russia took Crimea was to stop the EU from getting the 5 army bonus for control europe.
Punic Hebil
Centurion
(id: Punic Hoplite)
posted 03-22-14 06:17 PM EDT (US)     1444 / 2504       
(I see what you did there)

The US landing in Eastern Siberia wouldn't matter much, because there isn't much there, all Russia would have to do is do a guerrilla style war, and have China support them, if they joined in. All it would do for the US is create another front, and one that if successful, would have a very long and vulnerable supply line; every army will fall if it can't keep a reliable supply of ammunition, food, medicine, and replacements. It's a long ways to go before the US would see any real cities that would impact a war in Europe significantly.

As for a European war, it would be bloody, long, and destructive. As Terikel said, the US has moved towards a lighter approach to warfare, while Russia has stayed with a heavy approach. Russia also would have the local advantage in numbers, at least initially, and it also has the economic advantage (very slight though) in that it isn't dependent on imports like the EU is. Russia basically has all the resources it needs, and exports energy to Europe. While they do depends on those exports for a large amount of money, it could in theory be isolationist and survive.

Russia would get decently far if they were organized about their offensive into Europe, the NATO defenses probably being in disarray at first, then organizing in the rear, waiting for the Russians to overextend themselves or give NATO a weakness to exploit. I do believe NATO would win, if they were to fight until there was an unconditional surrender. The question is, would they?

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Hannibal the Conqueror
Mariner
(id: HannibalBarcaXXI)
posted 03-25-14 02:33 PM EDT (US)     1445 / 2504       
Wait, is Alaska actually asking to join Russia?

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- Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited.

"We are a species that ravages, plunders, kills, destroys, rapes and enslaves in the name of progress."
Punic Hebil
Centurion
(id: Punic Hoplite)
posted 03-25-14 03:04 PM EDT (US)     1446 / 2504       
There is a petition on WeAreThePeople.gov, but it's a joke, just like people saying Russia is trying to get Alaska back. While Russia gave away Crimea to Ukraine for free, the US bought Alaska fair and square.

I am the Carthaginian who became an angel, and surrendered his wings for a life on the sea of battle.

My magic screen is constantly bombarded with nubile young things eager to please these old eyes. This truly is a wonderful period in which to exist! - Terikel the Deflowerer
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 03-25-14 03:52 PM EDT (US)     1447 / 2504       
Britain and France declared war on Russia over the Crimea 160 years ago this Friday. Just sayin'.

I am not entirely convinced any longer by this denial that there could be any new war in Europe. It is exactly the same sentiment people had a hundred years ago at the outbreak of the First World War, and some of the arguments are strikingly similar - nations are too financially interdependent, none of the belligerents can really afford war, etc.

However I must say as far as Britain is concerned Putin has timed this very well, if he does have the overthrow of Ukraine and annexation of bits of it in mind. Ignoring the fairly moot factor of mutual assured nuclear destruction, public support in Britain seems to be at an all-time low for engagement in anything more than five miles off the coast... The problem with democratically elected governments is they have to do what the people want when it matters, if they want to be re-elected. The British public refuse to believe that what happens to NATO and EU assets in Eastern Europe affects them. The insularity is mind-numbingly frustrating.
I think there is very little to attack in east russia for an actual front to really form. Taking it would really only ruin any chance of Russia getting the 7 army bonus from controlling all of europe. The only reason Russia took Crimea was to stop the EU from getting the 5 army bonus for control europe.
Much appreciated.

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Jetkill Fastmurder
Mariner
(id: Mayank Sharma)
posted 03-25-14 10:15 PM EDT (US)     1448 / 2504       
The best way to commemorate the centenary of a world war is...to start another world war!

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Scenter102
Mariner
posted 03-27-14 10:07 PM EDT (US)     1449 / 2504       
Is there any interest in a Victoria II multiplayer game?
Punic Hebil
Centurion
(id: Punic Hoplite)
posted 03-28-14 08:31 AM EDT (US)     1450 / 2504       
If someone teaches me how to play Victoria 2 to a level where I don't bankrupt my economy.... sure

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